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New link. Fascinating thread, well worth a read. Interesting mix of views from sensible and/or sympathetic all the way to the "evryone loves street racin m8 so fuck u. lolz. rip" 'brigade.
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| danno wrote: | | New link. Fascinating thread, well worth a read. Interesting mix of views from sensible and/or sympathetic all the way to the "evryone loves street racin m8 so fuck u. lolz. rip" 'brigade. |
There are some real spastics on that forum... and a few sensible, rational people. Warren in particular.
It's always a shame when someone dies but congregating on an evening to drive like twats in old cars, usually modified (on tight budgets) to go faster than originally intended, is always going to be a recipe for disaster.
Especially when you consider those involved will be the hard-of-thinking types as demonstrated on the thread.
Warren makes reasonable points about driving quickly and enjoying your car on appropriate roads etc...
I've never experienced 'a blow out' but a tyre did deflate very quickly on me once. Admittedly i was 'only' doing 70 mph in a new A4 but it was a fairly easy manoeuvre onto the hard shoulder even with heavy braking so id didn't fuck the wheel.
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I like the way people in the thread keep refering to 'street racers' Like it's some kind of Fast and Furious scenario involving expensive cars, scantily clad women and rappers betting huge sums of money down at the beach front. Rather than a bunch of chavs in old Fords doing wheelspins outside the Excell center.
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| deebom wrote: | | I like the way people in the thread keep refering to 'street racers' Like it's some kind of Fast and Furious scenario involving expensive cars, scantily clad women and rappers betting huge sums of money down at the beach front. Rather than a bunch of chavs in old Fords doing wheelspins outside the Excell center. |
For me, I'd be looking at local pikey kids (if indeed the nail was even in the road at all before the crash, which i still doubt). They are not adversed to dropping bricks off flyovers and such like to get some Friday night lol's.
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| joylove wrote: | | deebom wrote: | | I like the way people in the thread keep refering to 'street racers' Like it's some kind of Fast and Furious scenario involving expensive cars, scantily clad women and rappers betting huge sums of money down at the beach front. Rather than a bunch of chavs in old Fords doing wheelspins outside the Excell center. |
For me, I'd be looking at local pikey kids (if indeed the nail was even in the road at all before the crash, which i still doubt). They are not adversed to dropping bricks off flyovers and such like to get some Friday night lol's. |
I'd think the presence of the local pikeys asking if anyone had any scrap metal would have enlightened most people...
Although, I did read on the thread that the brakes had failed. Which is nice.
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The thing about that kind of mastic is it takes hours to dry properly, so It would have had to have been sitting there on the road for quite a long time.
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| postcode wrote: | I'd think the presence of the local pikeys asking if anyone had any scrap metal would have enlightened most people...
Although, I did read on the thread that the brakes had failed. Which is nice. |
Didn't Reg Local say that in a blowout you should never slam on the brakes, as it causes a spin?
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[quote]19:51:21 [thebassjunky] i've mounted an electric drill on the front wheel of my pushbike, with a piece of string connected to the trigger for the throttle
22:50:54 [Mrs_Doyle, discussing traction control on her Rhinerbarge] sounds like nannying to me
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| joylove wrote: | | postcode wrote: | I'd think the presence of the local pikeys asking if anyone had any scrap metal would have enlightened most people...
Although, I did read on the thread that the brakes had failed. Which is nice. |
Didn't Reg Local say that in a blowout you should never slam on the brakes, as it causes a spin? |
Also screws and nails don't normally cause blow outs, I have had loads of nails removed from various cars over the years with nothing more than a slow puncture.
I would assume that the people designing tyres would test for nail intrusion as it is very likely that there will be stuff like that on motorways anyway.
If tyres do blow out or the brakes were applied a car scrubs off speed very quickly especially in the dry. To cause that much carnage and death he must have been doing something pretty stupid at the time.
Lets hope that some of his friends learn from the mistake.
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Learn from the mistake?
Fuck off. Most of them will still be ragging they're shit boxes around, but they will be claiming minor celeb status "I was der innit." "He wus mi m8." "he wos a top driver, jus unluky innit." Basking in the Kudos of knowing someone who knew someone that went to school with the driver or some shit. Twunts.
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| joylove wrote: | | postcode wrote: | I'd think the presence of the local pikeys asking if anyone had any scrap metal would have enlightened most people...
Although, I did read on the thread that the brakes had failed. Which is nice. |
Didn't Reg Local say that in a blowout you should never slam on the brakes, as it causes a spin? |
if I remember correctly, he did.
I can see similarities between this crash and one which one of my 'customers' was involved in..
Straight bit of road, early hours of the morning, car gets a bit lairy at speed, car clips kerb and gets more lairy, driver cannot regain control, car bounces off street furniture and things, car lands in unglorified heap, driver seriously injured, three passengers dead.
It doesn't matter about whether or not its a densely populated area, or some road out in the backwaters of the world, sometimes these things happen, and the less people attempt to apportion blame the better, perhaps if this had have happened at the same time in the day, you'd be looking at another crash, but with different results and consequence.
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I'm eagerly awaiting with popcorn for the announcement of a memorial 'krooze' with some sort of 21 caulking gun salute.
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| Daywalker wrote: | | I'm eagerly awaiting with popcorn for the announcement of a memorial 'krooze' with some sort of 21 caulking gun salute. |
I've been on and made a non-trolling post, I'll just see how long it is until I'm accused of being disrespectful...
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I think we can collectively agree that a nail, would've had to have been glued down a long time before the accident, that the chances of the car driving over it and then it subsequently causing a 'blow out' are massively unlikely.
My money is either on him clipping the kerb at a silly speed and spinning or, more than likely, the back end breaking away and regardless of the amount of times he'd seen 'tokyo drift' and despite 5th Gear and Top Gear's claims about 'tail happy' cars being the best fun it ended being one 'drift' he wouldn't be getting any points for.
The irony is there will probably be a memorial cruise for him... which will involve more of the same kind of driving that ended a life and seemingly fucked up a few more. |
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I cant see the nail doing that much. A dirty tarmac road is not the best surface for gluing to. That 'mastic' looks more like expanding foam which is extremely brittle.
Whatever, on a fatal accident the plod accident investigators would have been out and about scouring the road to discover what had happened. If they found the nails and decided it was a contributing factor I am sure they would have made a press statement to say 'don't do this, it's bad'
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| Baj wrote: | | Whatever, on a fatal accident the plod accident investigators would have been out and about scouring the road to discover what had happened. If they found the nails and decided it was a contributing factor I am sure they would have made a press statement to say 'don't do this, it's bad' |
That is of course if the Police were allowed anywhere near the scene by the hoard of baying charvers, and of course if they were then able to effectively shut the road, cordon it off and actually do the detailed investigative work required after a fatal accident.
Anyway, the first thing they look at is the wheels and tyres. It'll become apparent if the tyre was damaged, "blew out" or whatever and then they'll look at the contributory causes.
Whoever spent time on hands and knees No-more-Nails'ing Even-More-Nails to the road to be assured of a decent chance of damaging some boy racers tyres, they'd have to be SERIOUSLY pissed off to go to such lengths, on what is apparently an isolated (i.e. away from houses) road in constant use.
In my eyes, there is no way a dry-wall screw glued to an unclean tarmac surface would do any more than give you a slow puncture. And we all know how fastidious "Street Racers" are about checking tyres for pressure and damage before a high speed run.
I got bored of that thread.
"Sierras are well safe innit, built like tanks, better quality steel in them days"
"He wasn't going fast, how dare you, you don't know him"
"RIP M8"
"Passenger has a broken pelvis, spine and neck but he's up and walking around"
"I dragged 3 people from the burning wreck, I R Hero"
"Passenger paralysed due to neck injury"
Funny how the car doesn't look like it had been on fire, at all... 
In summary:
Some people set out to drive like twats, drove like twats, a car crashed and killed one person and seriously injured several others. There's not a lot of thinking to be done about what may or may not have contributed to such a tragedy.
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I like how they all (well, most) say that Saph Cosworths handle badly and are a bit of a handful. Er...you shouldn't be finding that out on an inner city public road with a 40mph limit. The car will only be a handful if you drive it like a twat. I'm sure these people would then counter that with 'but der woz bare nails on da road' but I think that's been covered well in this thread.
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I've found massive screws in my tyres before, only way I can see a nail actually making it going pop is if he was a drifting god with overinflated tyres.
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| elise111s wrote: | | I've never experienced 'a blow out' but a tyre did deflate very quickly on me once. Admittedly i was 'only' doing 70 mph in a new A4 but it was a fairly easy manoeuvre onto the hard shoulder even with heavy braking so id didn't fuck the wheel. |
I have. Twice. On both occasions it was a rear tyre and I was on the motorway.
First one I was in a Transit doing ahem70honest and I was mindful not to do anything sudden, be that with brakes or steering. I simply pulled it out of gear, finger tips on the wheel and moved across to the hard shoulder when I saw the car to my inside dragging its front bumper on the floor with headlights flashing.
Second was on the Mondeo I currently own and I was towing a laden two wheel car trailer. That was a little more interesting. I flet a vibration starting and as I pulled over and crossed the rumble strip to the hard shoulder the tyre blew and I ended up fishtailing across th full width of a fortunately empty M4. Again I took feet away from pedals and fingertips on the wheel and the car soon sorted itself out and I was able to pull over and stop.
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On the banger track, blowouts have always led me to carry on going and then whine like a girl that my car "wasn't going right", especially when I came back into the pits in an Astra that had not one but four flat tyres.
On the road, I've had two blowouts in cars and one in a bus. The only way I knew I'd done a tyre in the bus was the back end starting to feel "loose", to the point where my anus puckered somewhat. In all cases, I didn't accelerate or brake and steered as little as possible, using my fingertips. I'm still alive. FACT.
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ooo, ooo, Blowout stories.
Only one. M3. C reg Austin Metro - My first car. I had passed my test a few months before and was travelling in said 1 litre supercar to a wedding in Southampton with my brother and his then girlfriend in the car.
Travelling at a little over 70 (honest) in lane 3, I felt a slight vibration through the wheel and then the OSF tyre went bang and I felt a much bigger vibration as the car lurched to the left.
Being inexperienced, my first instinct was to mash the brake pedal - it got a lot worse so I stopped braking a moment later and managed to just keep the car in lane after nearly sideswiping the car on my inside. Once other cars realised what had happened they made room and I made it onto the hard shoulder. It really wasn't easy, the steering was pulling VERY hard but I managed it in a very wobbly fashion.
The rim was fucked and some slight damage to the wheelarch from the flailing tyre - but all was well enough to complete the journey after a tyre (and underwear) change.
I hope it never happens again.
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| elise111s wrote: | | I've never experienced 'a blow out' but a tyre did deflate very quickly on me once. Admittedly i was 'only' doing 70 mph in a new A4 but it was a fairly easy manoeuvre onto the hard shoulder even with heavy braking so id didn't fuck the wheel. |
A4s understeer like both fronts are punctured at the best of times...
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I am surprised that no one has posted that the damage will polish out yet.
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| WeirdNeville wrote: | "I dragged 3 people from the burning wreck, I R Hero"
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Reading through the original thread, I started wondering whether those two factors may be connected.
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